Comments on Gingerism: REDS & BLACKS PSYCHOLOGICALLY DIFFERENT?

Having read through this thread, I concur that Nat...

2010-09-03T16:45:33.982+01:00

Having read through this thread, I concur that Nate is a troll.

I agree with this post. The hatred toward gingers ...

2010-05-18T16:33:09.859+01:00

I agree with this post. The hatred toward gingers is a form of racism. Racism has been about grouping people based on observing their physical features and then using those features to make judgments about the persons' character and to discriminate against them and do violence toward them.

Racism is a spectrum. A group does not have to have been in slavery or had a holocaust on them to be experiencing racism in society today. It's not a competition to decide who is the most oppressed!! Again, it's a spectrum.

When you look at someone and instantly make a judgment about their character or kick them or discriminate for employment or housing or whatever just based on their having pale skin, freckles and red hair then that is indeed racism.

And just because gingers don't have a strong cultural cohesiveness does not mean they are not a race as, again, race has been traditionally defined by outward appearances not cultural identity excepting, of course, hispanics, so you can see how confusing it can get. It just goes to show that race is purely a social construction.

That people deny gingers are an oppressed race is just excuse-making for the oppression to continue. It's socially acceptable to hate on this group of people.

I live in the USA where this ginger racism has suddenly become in fashion. When I was a kid I got teased for being a ginger, but I see it as being kid stuff, silly name calling that kids do, they always find something you know.

People are actually directing some very scary violence toward red heads here, in the last few years. It reminds me of the things I'd seen back in the 70s when blacks were moving into my city. I had a black friend who was constantly chased, kicked and beat by white kids. Now I'm seeing the same thing happening to gingers. It is the same behavior, exactly identical, but a different group being targeted, so you cannot tell me this is not racism.

This article is what I've been thinking since ...

2010-03-05T18:26:07.265Z

This article is what I've been thinking since about 7 years old, why does the black kid get treated right and I don't?

This thing is, redheads haven't been in slavery for hundreds of years, or in a holocaust where millions have been killed; what I'm saying is we're the last 'area' of people that are different enough to be bullied on - and haven't suffered anything or there isn't a law against it.

I'm hoping I will look back on this when I am older to see that society has accepted everyone, not just those who have suffered. That the more different the better - this is what I am hoping for.

John is right to keep reminding us that lots of gr...

2010-01-22T07:36:35.012Z

John is right to keep reminding us that lots of groups and individuals suffer discrimination and I would be happy if all discrimination could be halted, however human nature being as it is, that is highly unlikely and this site is supposed to be highlighting the prejudice as directed at redheads in particular.

It's an interesting discussion between Nate an...

2010-01-21T02:02:21.059Z

It's an interesting discussion between Nate and Madasa:

Is singling someone out as Red or Black racist and dehumanising?

If so, what about as male and female as being sexist and dehumanising?

Describing someone as a paraplegic equals ableism and dehumanisation?

Maybe Nate is suggesting Madasa should describe Blacks and Reds as people with a racial identity that is either Red or Black. If in doubt, put person on the end.

"Who wants a fag?" Not a homophobe sure...

2010-01-20T13:47:39.600Z

"Who wants a fag?" Not a homophobe surely. PC or Not PC that is the question. Whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous accusations of being 'Racist' or to sling your hook and not rise to the bait Nate

Your a racist! I'm not a racist! Yes you are...

2010-01-20T10:35:55.629Z

Your a racist!

I'm not a racist!

Yes you are!

No I'm not!

You are!

Guess your right!

Ah-ha so your not a racist then, am I a racist?

I'm afraid so... And a homophobe!

Fag!

Let me put it another way. I can't see that To...

2010-01-20T07:37:46.945Z

Let me put it another way. I can't see that Tom Cruise is American, or that Sean Connery is Scottish, or that David Beckham played for Manchester United. If I witnessed an incident involving any of these people I would describe them to the police, if asked, as white and male. If I then went on to say I wasn't too sure about Tom Cruise as he possibly had a Spanish granny, the police would not be impressed. I think Nate, you are being totally petty and pedantic in your determination to prove that YOU are not 'Racist' and YOU are very politically, correctly aware. I think we all get the drift Thank you. Madasa

Dear John, I take on board what you say about Blon...

2010-01-20T03:11:18.325Z

Dear John, I take on board what you say about Blondes. It may well be possible that fake blondes like fake redheads are having a better time of it than the natural born varieties. I believe and have tried to make the point several times that the individual being bullied, for whatever reason, feels the same psychological, emotional and physical pain, if violence is involved. I try to focus on the original premise/question "Is gingerism as bad as racism?" mainly because the 2 groups involved are both minorities and the colour of birth is what attracts the attention". I would like the site to have a sensible discussion on why 2 different groups who appear to be targeted for the same reason of 'colour' are treated so differently by the law and by society at large. If the questions posed were considered and answered then perhaps we could move on to other area's. I rapidly come to the conclusion that Nate argues 'race, race, race because he hasn't got any reasonable answers to the questions and isn't a big enough bloke to say 'I don't know - I'm not sure'. You're a 'racist' madasa, I'm not a 'racist', edit your 'racist' blog madasa, you 'racist'. Nate says, often, to detract attention from the fact that he hasn't got much else to say.

this guy nate seems determined to tell maddassa wh...

2010-01-19T23:48:27.445Z

this guy nate seems determined to tell maddassa what to think, what to write and how to write it. He seems unable to distinguish between - posing a question about 'Racism' and - making a 'Racist' statement. He is having too many niggardly, nit picking, pedantic rants. Loosen your collar nate or take a cold shower.

Nate, you're saying that to identify someone ...

2010-01-19T22:01:39.237Z

Nate,

you're saying that to identify someone purely on the basis of some quality they have is dehumanising. I say it depends upon motive. We're fundamentally a life with a set of qualities that in total define our lives. But if in a group of women I was pointed out as "the man over there", would that be dehumanising? If the person pointing me out was a stranger, then no, if a colleague then yes because it meant they couldn't be bothered to remember my name and some could interpret it as sexist. So singling out someone on the basis of some quality they have is fine, depending upon the motive.

Madasa is perfectly correct setting up a blog and questioning the inequality that exists between one group of people that racialise themselves as Black, when it's to their advantage to do so, and another group that are perfectly entitled to racialise themselves as Red. Then to question whether there are psychological differences between the two. This is exactly what Black people did when questioning whether there was a difference between the humanity of a White person and a Black person. Women did the same, using "woman" to define themselves when they created Feminism.

Madasa,

You underestimate the psychological damage caused to Blonde people with the way some people belittle them so they don't have to take them seriously, with some dyeing their hair brown to cope. I read a few years ago in the paper about a Blonde girl being attacked, with one of the attackers saying "let's get the Blonde". I've been on a bus where two guys behind me were lauging at a guy outside with brilliant white blonde hair, and the guy came onto the bus and went ballistic at them.

Some Blondes have set up Blondeism accounts protesting about the way they are being undermined as humanbeings:

http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=7597820886

this aussie geezer is going well ape OOOOOO rang ...

2010-01-19T21:54:59.215Z

this aussie geezer is going well ape OOOOOO rang ah!

Dear Nate, I am neither ignorant, nor racist. It ...

2010-01-19T20:09:52.172Z

Dear Nate, I am neither ignorant, nor racist. It was you who said there were non-whites who thought it racist to be called Black. You complain of 'racism' when people follow your lead. You complain of 'racism' when people don't follow your lead. It seems to me you want this site alll to yourself so you can dictate the thoughts of 'Chairman Nate the only Non Racist in the universe' Madasa

Right, The post to this comment page is purely ig...

2010-01-19T12:34:12.813Z

Right,

The post to this comment page is purely ignorant racism.

You Madasa are an ignorant racist. I wont have anything more to do with you except to rip to shreds the racist bs you write.

I'm done.

2010-01-19T12:33:37.409Z

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nate, You're a twat. how many times must i re...

2010-01-19T12:27:19.622Z

nate, You're a twat. how many times must i repeat that nothing I have written is racist and how is anyone supposed to know at a glance that someone is sudanese? Did you take you degree in talking long winded bollox?

"Is it your intention now to have several dif...

2010-01-19T11:22:50.087Z

"Is it your intention now to have several different descriptions for people of a darker skin tones if so perhaps you could tell me what they are and to whom they apply and I will do my best to either exclude or include such descriptions so as not to cause offence to any."

I hope your serious about this and its not sarcastic...

Its about having different descriptions that suit the context of what you are communicating.

Its best to always avoid using words to describe a person or group of people with words that have negative connotations, for example: 'ginger', even when using the word as its colour definition, i.e. 'ginger haired' to describe redheads should be avoided... because the usage of the word 'ginger' has picked up so many negative connotations for redheads... this is being politically correct and treating each person as a person.

If the group that you are trying to describe has a preferred term of usage then use it.

The description for each person with a darker skin tone is different. If your referring to a person from England with a heritage from Sudan, then its not unreasonable to describe the person as 'Sudanese-English or English-Sudanese with darker skin'. Its still appropriate to define that you are referencing their skin tone because not all people from Sudan have a dark skin tone...

Because nobody is 'black' in the context we are using then you should always specify a geographical location.

If your serious about a ZERO tolerance to racism re-write your article making it politically correct. All you have to do is hit edit post.

If you need a hand let me know.

2010-01-19T11:14:44.012Z

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For anyone bored enough a word count might be inte...

2010-01-19T08:07:36.983Z

For anyone bored enough a word count might be interesting as to who has used the dreaded 'R' word more often than Nate, in a totally unneccessary way to impress us that he is not. I suggest he doesn't try bringing a discrimination case to court as he will probably veer off the point to impress upon us that neopolitan ice creams don't like being called neopolitan because they are not from naples. Keep to the point of why redheaded kids are dead mate and the causes

I'm hopping mad. As a diagnosed paranoid schi...

2010-01-19T07:50:30.241Z

I'm hopping mad. As a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic I'm in 2 minds whether to continue to speak to Nate. I've 1/2 a mind to meet up and smack him in the mouth but such mindless fantasies will get me nowhere. I am not being racist Nate. Is it your intention now to have several different descriptions for people of a darker skin tones if so perhaps you could tell me what they are and to whom they apply and I will do my best to either exclude or include such descriptions so as not to cause offence to any. My paranoia about Big Brother? You can well believe sites are being monitored and if it suits the purpose of Big Brother - then he will act - The only difference between the Chinese govt. and ours is that they are censoring data not just monitoring

ALSO Madasa, If you believe there is some authori...

2010-01-19T06:57:06.184Z

ALSO Madasa,

If you believe there is some authority out there banning racist websites you are wrong...

Here is an example:

http://www.racist-jokes.com/

Madasa it is up to you to stop being racist... only you can change the way you write.

Please stop writing like a racist, PLEASE...

Also Madasa, Nobody 'checks these things'...

2010-01-19T06:09:25.404Z

Also Madasa,

Nobody 'checks these things'... posts or comments on obscure websites.

2010-01-19T06:08:37.230Z

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Ok Madasa, Do you like being called 'ginger&#...

2010-01-19T05:58:25.632Z

Ok Madasa,

Do you like being called 'ginger', No you don't... you have stated this numerous times.

Many, many people of African or Jamaican or some other decent where the tone of their skin is darker do not like being called 'black'.

Can you Madasa see why anyone would want to help you stop gingerism while you are being racist?

It may interest Nate to know that I email many of ...

2010-01-19T05:52:04.013Z

It may interest Nate to know that I email many of my blogs bothering as many media outlets with the thoughts of Madass. I'm sure some get spammed, a few have been replied to but none has generated accusations or charges of 'Racism'. Collaborating is not my thing Nate. I like to come straight to the point though obviously not pointedly enough to penetrate your understanding.