tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post8658466080814005659..comments2023-04-24T10:53:31.677+01:00Comments on Gingerism: BBC Apology For Dr Who Is A DisgraceKeironhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08835105613651620435noreply@blogger.comBlogger96125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-74868388665352545992012-01-06T02:20:09.237+00:002012-01-06T02:20:09.237+00:00I am going to assume you don't live in the USA...I am going to assume you don't live in the USA. Life long red head here...and I have never ever been bullied or picked on. Quite the opposite actually. Embrace the ginger. It's awesome!!Erintopiahttp://www.erintopia.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-32869145913137795322011-09-21T03:36:12.433+01:002011-09-21T03:36:12.433+01:00Can someone please direct to me why the BBC apolog...Can someone please direct to me why the BBC apologized in the first place? I've read both parts of this posting and I honestly can't make heads or tales of it.... there are too many quotes within quotes and it's really not clear writing. It has the assumption that the reader knows everything the author knows and is just carrying on the end of a exising conversation.....<br /><br />I'm a redhead and in no way do I find it offensive that Dr who begrudges that he's not "ginger." This is probably one of the best displays of affection and longing to be a redhead that I've seen in a while.<br /><br />If anything,I think that Dr Who shows support of redheads. I can't see how anyone would even get that Dr Who was discriminatory in any way.<br /><br />The fact that they apologized for people who are touchy by the word 'ginger' or who read a quote and perhaps took it as opposite (that he was really worried, in a negative way he would be a redhead), is what's silly to me.Turbulentbeautyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12942016996594593170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-88341232403984600652011-05-27T03:37:19.396+01:002011-05-27T03:37:19.396+01:00@Nate
Agreed. As a (natural) red headed American...@Nate<br /><br />Agreed. As a (natural) red headed American, I've been called at least 1/3 of the names you mentioned. A point rarely discussed is that red heads also have freckles which are considerd to be ugly, as they've been grouped with warts on many occasions - in soap operas, movies, etc. People have even asked me whether they hurt...a question so ridiculous it leaves me speechless. When I was in my early teens I tried to get rid of them with creams - they didn't work, nor should I have been made to feel that way. In fact, I battled depression because of how ugly I felt. The fact of the matter is that this sort of discrimination does real damage. Although I do sympathize with blondes and the jokes they must endure, it's simply not the same. Blondes are never associated with the ugly or abused.<br /><br />The reason I decided to conduct a web search this evening is due to a comic scene in "I Am Number Four" in which the aliens scare two distinctly fat, freckled, red headed kids. Why choose kids who look like that? Because it's funny to abuse anyone deemed to be ugly. When will we finally evolve?? Liberal "Hollywood" is supposed to be above this sorty of thing, yet "read headed, freckle faced" people seep into mainstream media whenever "ugly" is required.<br /><br />The phrase "beaten like a red headed step child" is very popular in the US. Make no mistake about it, the UK and Australia aren't the only countries where this form of discrimination festers. Do I feel it's racist? Yes. Albeit, a subset of a race, but nonetheless, racist. The factors that trigger this form of discrimination are not only based on hair color, but skin color. These are things that can't be hidden. Michael Jackson was a testiment to that.<br /><br />People may teach their kids to think they're better based on a set of laughable criteria, but most of us know better. Thank you, Calvin Klein, for making real skin beautiful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-19035523509384858402011-01-16T01:17:06.200+00:002011-01-16T01:17:06.200+00:00Personally, if I am describing my own hair colour,...Personally, if I am describing my own hair colour, I will call it Ginger. (soft G.) No probs there.<br />And I don't feel discriminated against if I am described as "The ginger one" out of a friend group. Because let's face it, I am. And proud to be so. <br />Also, wasn't Dr Who disappointed not to be ginger? So surely that presents being a redhead in a more positive light? Personally, I was not offended. At all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-39151592421233334542010-12-01T15:02:52.210+00:002010-12-01T15:02:52.210+00:00I am a 15-year-old redhead who has been heavily ab...I am a 15-year-old redhead who has been heavily abused due to my hair colour. Every day at school, someone calls me gingerist names, ridicules me for the follicles on my head, which, incidentally, I am very very proud of. I love my red hair and would never dye it- so why abuse me because of it? Are bullies really so weak that they have to pick on us redheads for kicks? It's pathetic.<br /><br />Incidentally, only a few days ago I passed a boy in the corridor who then yelled, "Ginger bitch!" at me. I didn't know his name so couldn't report him- it's so wrong that I have to put up with this kind of thing.<br /><br />Although it's hardly surprising. Last week, during my PE lesson, my teacher commented on the opposite volleyball team scoring a point: "You did very well- especially considering you have a ginger on your team." If kids are being set this kind of example in school, what hope is there for the future? I was so close to chucking the volleyball at him and leaving him to his stupid lesson.<br /><br />In Australia, redheads are considered beautiful. In America, redheads are considered exotic and sexy. And yet here in the UK, we're abused, called names, made the subject of heavily offensive jokes and laughed at for our hair colour. I cannot believe that people think it's OK to pick on others because of their hair colour- and then people deny it's a problem! Unbelievable.<br /><br />Gingerism is a growing problem, and if the redheads of Britain don't stand up for themselves and throw the stupid jokes back in the faces of those who cracked them, we're never going to show them who's in the right over this.Jazzynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-4684915300287353902010-04-15T03:02:21.965+01:002010-04-15T03:02:21.965+01:00I think the red heads bothered by the term ginger ...I think the red heads bothered by the term ginger should turn it into their own thing to use,like how a lot of black guys say,"What up,nigga!" to each other.You red heads should just be all like,"What up,ginger!" and take away the negativity of the word.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-81051401805999815082010-01-16T10:48:28.810+00:002010-01-16T10:48:28.810+00:00I would like to add that I am aware that Richard D...I would like to add that I am aware that Richard Dawkins hasn't written a book called 'Second Life' but you'd think so if you YouTube... 'Richard Dawkins Second Life'.Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11197704235048788120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-45570611987364080222010-01-16T10:33:47.940+00:002010-01-16T10:33:47.940+00:00Anon,
You've stated...
"Watch Andrew de...Anon,<br /><br />You've stated...<br /><br />"Watch Andrew dentons elder series with Richard dawkins to see how a truly intelligent person responds to the question of definition."<br /><br />I have watched, but I re-watched it and have taken notes. Dawkins states the following...<br /><br />“Lets not have any definitions... there is a perfectly good dictionary over there on the shelf you can go and look it up... I'm not going to get into the business of defining words that are already a dictionary definition.” - Richard Dawkins on Andrew Dentons Elders<br /><br />Whats your point Anon? Other than you can quote the name, but not actually quote a famous scientist, to make any real point... I suppose its an attempt to give yourself some air of authority is it, to name a respectable scientist in your comment?<br /><br />Secondly...<br /><br />You enjoy Richard Dawkins he also states in the same interview...<br /><br />"How do we know the things that we know... its a kind of hymn to evidence... encouraging this ten year old child to always look for evidence of something you are asked to believe." - Richard Dawkins on Andrew Dentons Elders<br /><br />In considering the above statement please explain your 'evidence' for the following statement:<br /><br />"Nate, dogg and quite possibly masada are all the same person"<br /><br />You are so full of... what's the word... oh... I'll use the word ideas!... prove that all three of us are the same person Anon.<br /><br />Thirdly, if Dogg, Madassa and myself are all the same person it wouldn't be called pathological... other than the fact you've just used a word you don't know the meaning of... for your information, if we were the same person it would be called 'sock-puppeting'. Its kind of a thread troll tool... I think you'll find its ok to discuss the meaning of these words and still be classed as intelligent by your own 'Richard Dawkins' measuring stick.<br /><br />ALSO...<br /><br />"the BBC had nothing to apologise for in the first place, you have colossally failed to prove anyone other than yourself gave a fuck"<br />(I have corrected spelling)<br /><br />Actually this above statement is invalid. 150 people complained about the Dr Who comment (Myself not included). I wrote the posting to this comments page and complained to the BBC, urging others to do the same. Have I received a reply from the BBC... no it hasn't been ten working days. I'll get back to you on that Anon.<br /><br />Meanwhile Anon, here's a dictionary meaning... you think about its meaning in relation to your poor comment...<br /><br />DISHONEST<br /><br />• adjective not honest, trustworthy, or sincere.<br /><br />— DERIVATIVES dishonestly adverb dishonesty noun.<br />Www.askoxford.com<br /><br />ALSO Anon...<br /><br />Have a read of 'Second-Life' its a Richard Dawkins book... You might learn something.Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11197704235048788120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-73437536240681580432010-01-16T06:58:34.554+00:002010-01-16T06:58:34.554+00:00Watch Andrew dentons elder series with Richard daw...Watch Andrew dentons elder series with Richard dawkins to see how a truly intelligent person responds to the question of definition. As for the fake and fraud comment I am referring to the fact Nate, dogg and quite possibly masada are all the same person, the fact you respond to yourself is borderline pathalogical... The fact I couldn't be assed creating a user I'd (which is fake in itself) doesn't make me fake it makes me lazy. I understand all your points except for one - the BBC had nothing to apologise for in the first people, you have collosally failed to prove anyone other than yourself gave a fuck - maybe you should be honest instead of dishonest and start a site called Nate/dogg-ism about all things that offend Nate/dogg and only Nate-dogg!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-79391223019720250622010-01-16T02:50:51.587+00:002010-01-16T02:50:51.587+00:00I agree with Anon,
Nate you don't make sense,...I agree with Anon,<br /><br />Nate you don't make sense, I mean what kind of person clears up definition in an argument with a dictionary meaning. I mean HONESTLY!<br /><br />Taranus is SIMPLY dishonest.<br />Nate is SIMPLY red.<br /><br />Dogg OUT!Dogghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527507759065174951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-63702850537405914442010-01-16T02:10:03.681+00:002010-01-16T02:10:03.681+00:00ALSO
Who's the fake and fraud... Mr or is it ...ALSO<br /><br />Who's the fake and fraud... Mr or is it Mrs Anonymous?Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11197704235048788120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-20162146225079145692010-01-16T02:04:00.464+00:002010-01-16T02:04:00.464+00:00Anon,
I appreciate you taking the time to read my...Anon,<br /><br />I appreciate you taking the time to read my 'ravings'... I'll attempt to tone them down. Explain how I might do this OR point out which parts don't make sense.<br /><br />There are a number of points being made by myself. I accept that the details of these points are boring as hell, but necessary:<br /><br />...................................<br /><br />1. The BBC apology was poorly worded.<br /><br />2. 'Ginger' is an offensive word to redheads... something denied by Tanarus.<br /><br />3. There is a long history of redhead discrimination and prejudice.<br /><br />4. All discrimination and prejudice is wrong and legislation against it is possible.<br /><br />5. I have argued that Tanarus's argument is not even valid.<br /><br />6. After Tanarus's statements:<br /><br />"My real problem with your argument isn't that it is ill conceived; it is that it is dishonest."<br /><br />AND<br /><br />"I hope that you can see, and would accept, how that is fundamentally dishonest."<br /><br />I have made a point of pointing out MANY of the DISHONEST things in Tanarus's argument.<br /><br />..................................<br /><br />A few points for you Anon, <br /><br /><br />1. You stated...<br /><br />"Tanarus OBVIOUSLY never intended to be anti-semetic, just as the BBC OBVIOUSLY never intended to put down red-heads."<br /><br />I agree this is possible, but I have every right to make my objections to these statements made, so that the parties involved can correct the issue and take care not to do it again... to begin with.<br /><br /><br />2. I am not suggesting we should...<br /><br />"legislate every word that offends, should we have to censor everything that is said in case it offends any body."<br /><br />...your suggesting this. I have made myself clear on this point of censorship and legislation through this blog and this discussion at various times.<br /><br /><br />3. You asked:<br /><br />"How do you propose to do so?"<br /><br />I have stated on this blogg numerous times, but possibly not during discussion of this topic... The first step is to raise awareness of gingerism in any number of ways (if you want more on this you'll have to wait till the release of my own web page). I hope this will be enough to stop it in many cases, but in case it isn't I'll document everything I can, I encourage anyone who also finds gingerism to be offensive to do the same. This is a reasonable starting point... who knows from there?<br /><br /><br />4. You write...<br /><br />"Hell your so confusing you even agree with Dogg who you've been quite clear in the past had the exact opposite view of you."<br /><br />I don't see how agreeing with some of a clowns (who looks like an animated ventriloquist puppet to me) views and disagreeing with his other views is confusing. Are you saying Dogg and myself are not able to progress in character or perspective or offer different views on different topics and heaven forbid maybe agree on things occasionally? (Annoying when somebody incorrectly para-phrases you like this, isn't it... some might call it a trolls tool)<br /><br />5. You also state...<br /><br />"Your a fake, a fraud and I doubt you even have red-hair."<br /><br />I don't understand?? 'fake and fraud' how?<br /><br />If you doubt I have redhair then good on ya... Would you have anything on the line if I wasn't a redhead? Which I am.Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11197704235048788120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-26763489513222093872010-01-15T23:18:49.595+00:002010-01-15T23:18:49.595+00:00I said I was done with this site and I meant it. B...I said I was done with this site and I meant it. But seriously Nate, calm down and get a grip, pretty much every one of your responses to Tanarus said Tanarus was DISHONEST and again your arguments are based on dictionary definitions instead of actually forming coherent reasonings. Tanarus OBVIOUSLY never intended to be anti-semetic, just as the BBC OBVIOUSLY never intended to put down red-heads. Should we legislate every word that offends, should we have to censor everything that is said in case it offends any body. Seriously Nate from all your ravings I still don't understand what your issues are. Yes Redhairs are bullied. Yes they are called Ginger which isn't cool. But besides these two points you have little else to say. Do you want it to stop? How do you propose to do so? Or is this just a forum for you to rant! When you have something intelligent and meaningful to say I'd like to hear it, until then I much prefer Tanarus well thought out arguments. Hell your so confusing you even agree with Dogg who you've been quite clear in the past had the exact opposite view of you. Wonder if they are the same person. Your a fake, a fraud and I doubt you even have red-hair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-6445058670842797872010-01-15T09:51:02.382+00:002010-01-15T09:51:02.382+00:00Tanarus's is simply dishonest!Tanarus's is simply dishonest!Dogghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527507759065174951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-17847590827537669132010-01-15T05:45:27.109+00:002010-01-15T05:45:27.109+00:00Tanarus,... continued.
“You are clearly an angry ...Tanarus,... continued.<br /><br />“You are clearly an angry and unhappy young man; whether or not you have good reason to be I cannot say, but regardless, I feel some genuine compassion for you. I have no idea what happened to you that left you feeling so persecuted, but whatever it was, I would urge you, for your own sake, to do all you can to put it behind you. If you focus continuously on your grievance it will come to define you, and poisoning your relationship with the world, perhaps even destroy you. That would be a sad fate for anyone.”<br /><br />This final paragraph I'm sure you'll understand if I chose to disregarded as from someone (Tanarus) who seems to deny my source of 'anger'. HOWEVER, I'll entertain the idea that it is not coming from a person who has been shown to be dishonest... <br /><br />HERE I GO... I'll say thank you for the concern Tanarus. I am glad you feel some 'genuine compassion'. However Tanarus have you considered that the feeling of persecution comes from being persecuted. <br /><br />I appreciate the advice on not focusing on my grievance to the point it defines me. I have previously stated that I plan to start my own website that does follow the other aspects of being a redhead. I assure you that any anger I may or may not currently feel or have felt in the past motivates me to stop the discrimination and prejudice occurring to myself and others it will not define me.<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />p.s. <br /><br />“I don't intend to devote much more time to this issue, but I'm prepared to have one more try. I'll check in to this blog again in a few days time to see if you have responded in an interesting way, but unless you raise your game substantially, I think that I am done here.”<br /><br />After being exposed as the 'dishonest' sham that you are as the name Tanarus... and the arrogant, ignorant personality that you are... unless you lift your game, don't bother responding... I am not intending to devote anymore time to your vile responses. Certainly not until you apologies or explain the anti-semitic comment you have previously made.Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11197704235048788120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-55870903074397671922010-01-15T05:45:10.743+00:002010-01-15T05:45:10.743+00:00Tanarus,... continued.
“Whether 'gingerism...Tanarus,... continued.<br /><br />“Whether 'gingerism' as you understand it exists or not, you do enormous damage to your cause by promoting it as you do. If you really wish to see 'gingerism' recognised as a real problem, the best thing that you personally can do is cease claiming to represent the oppressed redhead minority, and leave advocacy of your cause to those better qualified for the role.”<br /><br />I have 'yet' to use the word 'oppressed' Tanarsus, you have!... This is dishonest, you sir are simply a hack and a troll. I can now also doubt your understanding for context of the written word... my 'promotion' of gingerism in the context of a blog and opinion comments page, which are an ideal forum for gathering and discussing ideas has little to do with my qualified ability to write and research academically... besides Tanarus two things: By promotion you mean awareness raising have you heard the expression 'all publicity is good publicity', ALSO a person can always study more... unless Tanarus you want to deny anyone the right to research or educate themselves? Something I suggest you do before entering a topic you seem to know nothing about. IN FACT Tanarus, I believe people should ALWAYS study more!<br /><br />“Needless to say, your attitude also renders you the least qualified person to conduct any research into the issue; be fair, you are hardly impartial are you?”<br /><br />Again your own 'overly precious' rationalisation, 'logic and intelligence' falls short... This line above is the equivalent of saying that every female writer and researcher on feminism is unqualified to conduct research on feminism. AGAIN my statement is not a comparison of gingerism versus feminism, but a questioning of Tanarus's reasoning.<br /><br />FEMINISM<br /><br /> • noun the advocacy of women’s rights on the grounds of sexual equality.<br /><br /> — DERIVATIVES feminist noun & adjective.<br /><br /><br />“I return to my suggestion that you should set about raising money to fund a study that is properly conducted by qualified and disinterested authorities.”<br /><br />This advice coming from you Tanarus is redundant as any research funded by an anti-gingerist or any redhead for that matter would surely be bias, right?<br /><br />You Tanarus I repeat are close-minded, ignorant and arrogant.<br /><br />To be continued...Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11197704235048788120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-51144629765984663632010-01-15T05:44:47.779+00:002010-01-15T05:44:47.779+00:00Tanarus,... continued.
Lets just check your comme...Tanarus,... continued.<br /><br />Lets just check your comments for 'Honesty' using the oxford dictionaries definition.<br /><br />You deny that many redheads find 'ginger' to offensive. <br />This viewpoint is not one of a redhead or a person who has spent any time talking to many redheads about this topic and can not be considered: honest, trustworthy, or sincere.<br /><br />You seek to undermine the argument structure, not the argument itself.<br />This viewpoint is anti-academic and can not be considered: sincere.<br /><br />You stated and agreed that you would address the argument and not the structure, but rambled on about structure for paragraphs.<br />This viewpoint means Tanarus can not be considered: honest, trustworthy, or sincere.<br /><br />You exaggerate, dramatise and fictitiously add to my argument to make points.<br />This viewpoint containing these trolling tools can not be considered: honest, trustworthy, or sincere.<br /><br />You deny real world and other types of evidence this can not be considered: honest, trustworthy, or sincere<br /><br />Your understanding of the topic of redhead discrimination and prejudice is minimal, as you've asked for statistics of redhead physical assaults.<br />This viewpoint of understanding of the topic can not be considered: trustworthy<br /><br />Your completely wrong about there being no historical evidence of redhead discrimination or prejudice.<br />Tanarus's viewpoint on historical matters can be considered: COMPLETELY DISHONEST.<br /><br />Your view that the Guardian comments page closed because of me is ridiculous and shows your ignorance that the Guardian has a time limit for comment, but you've already displayed your misunderstanding of the context of time... well at least historically.<br />Tanarus's view of blogs, threads and comment is limited and can not be considered: honest, trustworthy, or sincere<br /><br />Need I point out further Tanarus's dishonesty...<br /><br />To be continued...Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11197704235048788120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-11649245058116491592010-01-15T05:16:29.635+00:002010-01-15T05:16:29.635+00:00Tanarus,... continued.
“My real problem with your...Tanarus,... continued.<br /><br />“My real problem with your argument isn't that it is ill conceived; it is that it is dishonest.” <br /><br />There is nothing dishonest about my argument. <br /><br /> <br />DISHONEST<br /><br /> • adjective not honest, trustworthy, or sincere.<br /><br /> — DERIVATIVES dishonestly adverb dishonesty noun.<br />Www.askoxford.com<br /><br /><br />“Elsewhere you use 'gingerism' to refer to a widespread and damaging societal prejudice against those with red hair”<br /><br />Are you saying that I have stated that discrimination and prejudice is wrong and that gingerism is widespread enough to investigate the damaging prejudice against those with redhair... as this website does... how is that dishonest?<br /><br />“Elsewhere you use 'gingerism' to refer to a widespread and damaging societal prejudice against those with red hair (I could reference some of your quotes, but I hope that isn't necessary) that is so pernicious that it requires both legislation and re-definition of language”<br /><br />Have I suggested that people should stop discriminating and being prejudicial toward redheads via the language they use and that legislation that already exists in parts of the world be implemented to prevent discrimination... NOT JUST redhead discrimination, yes. How is that dishonest?<br /><br />“Which amounts to no more than saying that on occasion some people have maliciously said some fairly unpleasant things about people with red hair. I hope that you can see, and would accept, how that is fundamentally dishonest.”<br /><br />You deny that anyone has “ maliciously said some fairly unpleasant things about people with red hair” and have the ignorance and arrogance to call me dishonest. FOR SHAME!<br /><br />To be continued...Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11197704235048788120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-24559329406657459402010-01-15T05:16:07.678+00:002010-01-15T05:16:07.678+00:00Tanarus,... continued.
I have to say Tanarus you ...Tanarus,... continued.<br /><br />I have to say Tanarus you are seriously helping me to nut out my arguments and definitions properly... I sincerely appreciate the help! Look at the rest of the website... If you've read any of Madasa's stuff enough said... and the website creator has disappeared from his own webpage... your the closest thing I have to a peer reviewer.<br /><br />However please stop referring to some obscure wikipedia entry... you are exceptionally ignorant and arrogant if you sincerely believe that most people who use the internet see wikipedia as, what were your words... “ actually remarkably accurate”. Or are you not ignorant and arrogant in this instance... just “dishonest”.<br /><br />To be continued...Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11197704235048788120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-28207836544259740002010-01-15T05:15:55.809+00:002010-01-15T05:15:55.809+00:00Tanarus,... continued.
You stated previously...
...Tanarus,... continued.<br /><br />You stated previously...<br /><br />“Your assertion that there exist "mountains of historical evidence and research that state redheads have been 'systematically persecuted, excluded or denied fundamental rights' based on their hair colour", is entirely unsubstantiated; care to point out any of these 'mountains'? I'd settle for one small hillock, even a grassy knoll. The only evidence I've seen cited so far was the reference to Malleus Maleficarum as indicative of long standing prejudice, but I think I fairly thoroughly demolished that already. “<br /><br />Tacitus is more than the grassy knoll, you've requested... This could go on forever the way the pair of us write... Historically redheads have been considered a race... you Tanarus should concede this point, I have fond many other HISTORICAL examples of discrimination and prejudice against redheads... but do your own research first... before you attempt to argue this point again... If you want more from me on the topic, you'll have to wait till my own website is published... there will be another list of evidence you can point blank deny.<br /><br />I HAVE TO POINT OUT NOT TO TANARSUS, BUT OTHERS WHO READ THIS...<br />Today redheads are not considered a race, but red hair remains a point of discrimination and prejudice... hence gingerism!<br /><br />To be continued...Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11197704235048788120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-6488499126197859862010-01-15T05:15:35.417+00:002010-01-15T05:15:35.417+00:00Tanarus,... continued.
“German 'barbarians...Tanarus,... continued.<br /><br />“German 'barbarians' was in any way due to their red hair is rather like claiming that the Nazis' problem with the Jews was really indicative of a prejudice against big noses (to be clear, I'm not trying to suggest that Jewish people do have unusually large noses; I'm using that point of comparison precisely because it is no less mad than Tacitus' assertion that all German barbarians were redhaired).”<br /><br />“Tanarus,<br /><br />I will not reply to your comments until you apologies to Jewish people for perpetuating this stereotype or reference where the prejudicial comment originated, so that you are stating the comment as someone else's stated opinion...<br /><br />The offending paragraph...<br /><br />“German 'barbarians' was in any way due to their red hair is rather like claiming that the Nazis' problem with the Jews was really indicative of a prejudice against big noses (to be clear, I'm not trying to suggest that Jewish people do have unusually large noses; I'm using that point of comparison precisely because it is no less mad than Tacitus' assertion that all German barbarians were redhaired).”<br /><br />…References I have made of other minority group have been referenced as facts or another person's stated facts within a premises in an argument not used as comparative stereotypical inference, which could be seen as racist or anti-Semitic.<br /><br />Again... You are not referencing or stating a fact as a premise... the line about 'Jewish people' having 'unusually large noses' could be seen as perpetuating a stereotype...<br />“Anyone who cannot see this fundamental distinction is a moral cripple.” (Tanarus, 8 Jan 2010, 2:10AM)<br /><br />I hope you apologies.<br /><br />Cheers”<br /><br />I addressing this point, attempting to ignore the anti-semitic message... <br /><br />If the Nazi's believed that the Jewish people were the ONLY people to have 'large noses' then this argument would be a valid argument against Tacitus argument. But the Nazi's didn't believe Jewish people were the only people to have 'large noses'. I am seriously doubting you understand the word context and deductive reasoning... best part about the situation is that I can quote evidence of your ignorance of these words, unlike your doubts and implied assertions that I have not read Tacitus. I hope you can see how your argument is dishonest.<br /><br />“I'm using that point of comparison precisely because it is no less mad than Tacitus' assertion that all German barbarians were redhaired”<br /><br />The argument wasn't whether the historical evidence of redhead prejudice and discrimination was not 'mad', but that it existed.<br /><br />To be continued...Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11197704235048788120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-13024920817057844202010-01-15T05:15:08.585+00:002010-01-15T05:15:08.585+00:00Tanarus,... continued.
Tanarus please bare with m...Tanarus,... continued.<br /><br />Tanarus please bare with me as I discuss this point on 'historical examples of red head discrimination and prejudice' at length... So not to exclude anybody else reading that may claim to not understand and so to make myself absolutely clear!<br /><br />If you haven't read the works of Tacitus, here's a relevant exert?<br /><br />http://www.fordham.edu provides a series of Tacitus works online.<br /><br />“Physical Characteristics. For my own part, I agree with those who think that the tribes of Germany are free from all taint of intermarriages with foreign nations, and that they appear as a distinct, unmixed race, like none but themselves. Hence, too, the same physical peculiarities throughout so vast a population. All have fierce blue eyes, red hair, huge frames, fit only for a sudden exertion. They are less able to bear laborious work. Heat and thirst they cannot in the least endure; to cold and hunger their climate and their soil inure them.” (Tacitus, The Agricola and Germania, A. J. Church and W. J. Brodribb, trans., London: Macmillan, 1877, pp. 87Ff, cited from http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/tacitus1.html)<br /><br />Other online spots for Tacitus's works:<br />http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/tacitus-germanygord.html<br /><br />http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Fperson=3795&Itemid=28<br /><br />http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Germany_%28Bookshelf%29<br /><br />Lets use deductive reasoning on the above quote... using Tacitus description.:<br /><br /><br />The Romans widely considered redhair to be a racial characteristic of the Germanic peoples<br />“...free from ALL taint of intermarriages with foreign nations, and that they appear as a distinct, unmixed race, like none but themselves.”<br /><br />PREMISE ONE:<br />Tacitus believed ONLY the Germanic 'race' had blue eyes, red hair and huge frames.<br /><br /><br />“All have fierce blue eyes, red hair, huge frames, fit only for a sudden exertion.”<br /><br />PREMISE TWO:<br />Tacitus believed ALL Germanic 'race' had blue eyes, red hair and huge frames.<br /><br /><br />CONCLUSION:<br />Tacitus racialised the Germanic people as red heads and the only red heads.<br /><br />According to Tacitus having red hair made you Germanic by inference. Its as SIMPLE as that!<br /><br />Tacitus was a racist not a gingerist. Historical context is important.<br /><br />To be continued...Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11197704235048788120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-44359294648075615012010-01-15T05:14:47.234+00:002010-01-15T05:14:47.234+00:00Tanarus,... continued.
The line below has been ta...Tanarus,... continued.<br /><br />The line below has been taken from the second premise to your definition simple argument it is hard core trolling Tanarus, I don't know if your aware that I have received emails from white separatist groups attempting to racialise gingerism.<br /><br />'or belief in the superiority,'<br /><br />In my argument I have never made a single comment to a 'belief in the' inferiority (the inverse of superiority) of redheads.<br /><br />This adjusted premise below is closer to the 'inverse' of what I was stating... anyway, this doesn't mean the negativity list doesn't exist and is used. You have to admit that any person denying the use of the first list is highly arrogant... as they would be if they denied the list of word and their use that you have suggested... But then I'm not denying your lists use, however you are denying mine... Not society or gingerists, but you Tanarus!<br /><br />“2. I could cite my list of complimentary phrases as instances of praise, veneration, of redheads as a specific group: inverting your premise”<br /><br />We could do this all day. And both meanings 'could' be put in the dictionary. However, go to the Guardian, Independent, Times or any other newspaper and type in 'gingerism' into their search bar and see what comes up... pay attention to the context and implied definitions. Its another idea for a list to keep... which I'll begin keeping. Thanks again... your criticism is really welcome.<br /><br />To be continued...Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11197704235048788120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-59693630291499000222010-01-15T05:14:31.475+00:002010-01-15T05:14:31.475+00:00Tanarus,... continued.
“Going back to my earlier ...Tanarus,... continued.<br /><br />“Going back to my earlier point, I could pick any physical characteristic, define an 'ism' related to it, compile a list of offensive words or statements that have been used about that characteristic, and through substitution apply your argument perfectly to 'demonstrate' the existence of that 'ism', but all I would have done was provide a definition. Such an argument establishes absolutely nothing about matters in the real world.”<br /><br />I disagree... Firstly the argumentative definition referred to a 'real world' list of words used in the 'real world' to describe people with red hair... This list is a premise in my argument and a premise taken from the real world... I can easily find reference if you like, but again you would simply deny the evidence in some arrogant and ignorant way.<br /><br />Secondly, such an argument of gingerism raises awareness in the real world and the definition (while under developed, you need to recognise how the stated definition is a contextual argument) I have stated in the form of a complex argument defines the discrimination and prejudice against not any 'physical characteristic', but red hair discrimination and prejudice, which has a different level of prevalence in society than other forms, has hugely different effects on the social dynamic and like other forms of discrimination may have many un-studied, un-seen effects. If redhead discrimination is as you say 'not in existence' or no more prevalent than any other physical characteristic type then at the very least many who are, as you say genuinely discriminated against have a yard stick as to what is and isn't genuine discrimination. Tell me your not curious Tanarus.<br /><br />To be continued...Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11197704235048788120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-485321436646277553.post-66651790105675582842010-01-15T05:14:13.108+00:002010-01-15T05:14:13.108+00:00Tanarus,... continued.
“All you have done is stat...Tanarus,... continued.<br /><br />“All you have done is state a position, and attach a tag to it; for that you need not have gone to such lengths. 'Gingerism' is a neologism and as such you can use it however you like until it acquires a recognised definition. I'm prepared to bet that there are other communities out there right now that are using 'gingerism' to mean a sexual fetish for the ginger haired and until one version of the word achieves a broad social acceptance, you both have the right to use it however you wish.”<br /><br />I doubt this word is or will be used for the former definition you have described. The word could end up meaning both as you pointed out in the oxford dictionary meaning of the word ginger has multiple definitions. Ginger can mean root ginger or a colour. The definition I stated as a complex argument against your un-valid denial of gingerism still stands. Making this comment a pointless line of inquiry. <br /><br />To be continued...Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11197704235048788120noreply@blogger.com